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Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Daves not here, Feb 7, 2009.
Curt Schilling, is that you ?
Yeah. My favorite player since I was about 10 years old. But injuries have really held him down. He'd be known as the best ever without the injuries.
But the only time I've watched baseball in the past 10 years or so was when the Tigers did well about 3 seasons ago. Only start watching in the playoffs. Can't be bothered to watch 1,898,798 innings a season that drag on slower than a golf game.
I agree. All these people who are so outraged over this crack me up. There's 103 other people on that list who we don't know who they are. I mean if someone like David Ortiz was leaked would anyone be shocked? Besides this happened so long ago who really cares?
Here's an interesting link you guys might like,before and after pics of all the alleged needleheads..
Interesting, but if you see a picture of me at 18-20 years old versus 30- you'd think I was on 'roids also.
Sosa was raked over the coals after his congressional appearance where he acted like he didnt even know English. McGwire is being kept out of the HOF, despite easily having HOF #s. I wouldnt venture to guess Sosa will be kept out of the hall as well when he is eligible. Palmeiro never played again after the 05 season, when it was found out he lied to congress. My point being, Bonds hasnt been singled out at all. Sure, some of the less popular players havent gotten as much criticizm, but I think that is natural for the media and fans to care about the big name players more than the average players. But, Sosa, Palmeiro, McGwire, and certainly Clemens, have all gotten the same type of treatment as Bonds.
Sort of, but ultimately, Bonds is the only person facing prison time. Public humilation is rough, but prison time, that is a whole nother ball game entirely. And Bonds is the only one facing prison time.
I still love baseball. I think the clean up is going to help the game and even the playing field.
I counted the MVP's and Cy Youngs from the highly probable category:
2008 Albert Pujols St. Louis 1B
2007 Jimmy Rollins Philadelphia SS
2006 Ryan Howard Philadelphia 1B
2005 Albert Pujols St. Louis 1B
2004 Barry Bonds San Francisco LF (1)
2003 Barry Bonds San Francisco LF (2)
2002 Barry Bonds San Francisco LF (3)
2001 Barry Bonds San Francisco LF (4)
2000 Jeff Kent San Francisco 2B
1999 Chipper Jones Atlanta 3B
1998 Sammy Sosa Chicago OF (5)
1997 Larry Walker Colorado OF
1996 Ken Caminiti San Diego 3B (6)
1995 Barry Larkin Cincinnati SS
1994 Jeff Bagwell Houston 1B
1993 Barry Bonds San Francisco OF (7)
1992 Barry Bonds Pittsburgh OF (8)
1991 Terry Pendleton Atlanta 3B
1990 Barry Bonds Pittsburgh OF (9)
1989 Kevin Mitchell San Francisco OF (10)
1988 Kirk Gibson Los Angeles OF
1987 Andre Dawson Chicago OF
1986 Mike Schmidt Philadelphia 3B
2008 Dustin Pedroia Boston 2B
2007 Alex Rodriguez New York 3B (11)
2006 Justin Morneau Minnesota 1B
2005 Alex Rodriguez New York 3B (12)
2004 Vladimir Guerrero Anaheim RF
2003 Alex Rodriguez Texas SS (13)
2002 Miguel Tejada Oakland SS (14)
2001 Ichiro Suzuki Seattle RF
2000 Jason Giambi Oakland 1B (15)
1999 Ivan Rodriguez Texas C (16)
1998 Juan Gonzalez Texas OF (17)
1997 Ken Griffey, Jr. Seattle OF
1996 Juan Gonzalez Texas OF (18)
1995 Mo Vaughn Boston 1B (19)
1994 Frank Thomas Chicago 1B
1993 Frank Thomas Chicago 1B
1992 Dennis Eckersley Oakland P
1991 Cal Ripken, Jr. Baltimore SS
1990 Rickey Henderson Oakland OF
1989 Robin Yount Milwaukee OF
1988 Jose Canseco Oakland OF (20)
1987 George Bell Toronto OF
1986 Roger Clemens Boston P (21)
2008 Tim Lincecum San Francisco
2007 Jake Peavy * San Diego
2006 Brandon Webb Arizona
2005 Chris Carpenter St. Louis
2004 Roger Clemens Houston (22)
2003 Eric Gagne Los Angeles (23)
2002 Randy Johnson Arizona
2001 Randy Johnson Arizona
2000 Randy Johnson Arizona
1999 Randy Johnson Arizona
1998 Tom Glavine Atlanta
1997 Pedro Martinez Montreal
1996 John Smoltz Atlanta
1995 Greg Maddux * Atlanta
1994 Greg Maddux * Atlanta
1993 Greg Maddux Atlanta
1992 Greg Maddux Chicago
1991 Tom Glavine Atlanta
1990 Doug Drabek Pittsburgh
1989 Mark Davis San Diego
1988 Orel Hershiser * Los Angeles
1987 Steve Bedrosian Philadelphia
1986 Mike Scott Houston
2008 Cliff Lee Cleveland
2007 C.C. Sabathia Cleveland
2006 Johan Santana * Minnesota
2005 Bartolo Colon Los Angeles
2004 Johan Santana * Minnesota
2003 Roy Halladay Toronto
2002 Barry Zito Oakland
2001 Roger Clemens New York (24)
2000 Pedro Martinez * Boston
1999 Pedro Martinez * Boston
1998 Roger Clemens * Toronto (25)
1997 Roger Clemens Toronto (26)
1996 Pat Hentgen Toronto
1995 Randy Johnson Seattle
1994 David Cone Kansas City
1993 Jack McDowell Chicago
1992 Dennis Eckersley Oakland
1991 Roger Clemens Boston (27)
1990 Bob Welch Oakland
1989 Bret Saberhagen Kansas City
1988 Frank Viola Minnesota
1987 Roger Clemens Boston (28)
1986 Roger Clemens * Boston (29)
That is unbelievable. 21 out of the last 46 MVP awards are pretty much guaranteed to have been awarded to users. 29 out of the last 92 awards, almost 1/3, definately tainted and won by steroid users.
A littler asterick, Canseco was right again. He called out A-rob publicly a long time ago. Dude may be a joke, but he was the guy who may have saved baseball by laying the truth out there. The irony of that is too much to handle. But great story. It's like catch me if you can. Nobody wants him to be the hero. But he's going to be.
""Following yesterday's game, Torre was disappointed to hear of Canseco's comments and expressed concern about how much an impact they might have on A-Rod when the book is published.
"You worry about anything like that, because unfortunately, when people see it in print, they add credence to it. That's the sad part about it," Torre said. "It's a shame, because when you play this game, you'd like to believe you play with some kind of respect. Obviously, Jose needs the money."""
Jose Canseco was interviewed by ABC’s Nightline news show and refused to produce any evidence to back up his claim that he introduced Alex Rodriguez to a steroids dealer. “The timing’s not right,” he said.
“Let’s see how Alex reacts to this,” Canseco said. “Let’s see how Alex reacts. Let’s see if they call me a liar again. How’s that for you? Let’s see if all of a sudden they’re gonna call me a liar again.”
Rodriguez has yet to respond directly to Canseco’s charges. Team officials said during the day that they expected a statement to be released. But as of now, that has yet to happen.
I loved how A-Rod, in the Katie Couric interview, picking Bond's over Aarron as home run champion adamantly. And of course he goes on to say, no, I have never used steroids. Love it. Good liar though.
I don't think he was forthcoming at all. Every apology has a slight hedge in it. There is more truth to uncover here. But at least he's willing to admit he did something.
MLB should have a day where anyone can admit steroid use with no penalty. That would be a fun day. I bet a lot of them would come clean to get it over with, and so they would not be alone when doing it.