Ben Roethlisberger

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by DeutschTitan, Apr 20, 2006.

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  1. Gut

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    And BTW Rolltide, virtually no rookie QB's have a QB rating of 88 even on a good team (except Big Ben) as a first year fulltime starter. About the best you can hope for is a 75-77 (Peyton was a 77 his first year) rating with the bottom range being in the 60-70 range.

    And to put that in perspective, it took McNair 7 years to be 88 or better (90) as a fulltime starter.

    So an 88 on a mediocre team is...HIGHLY unlikely.

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  2. Titans2008

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    I think having Tommy "big mistake" Maddox behind center might have had something to do with their run game sucking. Just a hunch...
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    Obviously not since they had a WORSE pass attack the next year under Big Ben but had the #1 rush attack.

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  4. Titans2008

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    That didn't make any sense.
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  5. BigRob

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    Actually, at Big Ben's pro-day, he ran a 4.79, and the other poster was correct, Ben was 250 and 6'5". What I find interesting is that he didn't have a very good combine at all.
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  6. BigRob

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    Some interesting points, but you left out a few key numbers and thoughts. First, the Steelers runningbacks were not hurt in 2003. Bettis and Zeroque were completely healthy. In fact all of the injuries were to the o-line. So that running back theory goes out the window for you. You need to look at all of the years that Mike Mularkey was oc for the steelers, they became a pass first team. Look at their 2002 stats. Ward and Burress each had something like 1200 yards receiving. After 2003 Cowher returned to a run-first mentality, but his o-line was healthy. The biggest thing that everyone seems to forget about Big Ben and that rookie year was how many 3rd and long situations he was put in. Here was the Steeler's offense: run, run, pass, punt or first down. As a rookie he practically led the league in third down passer efficiency. Say what you want about how he was protected and came to a great team, but the Steelers were picked to finish third in that division and not make the playoffs.
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    Titans2008...

    Your post was that Maddox stinking was the reason the run game was bad. My counter was that with a WORSE passing attack (under Big Ben) they led the league in rushing...so obviously it wasn't due to Tommy Maddox....though he was one of the reasons they weren't very good!

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    Big Rob,

    I stand corrected. You're right, the RB's were injured the year before and that year it was the OL. And yes, Big Ben's QB rating on 3rd down was over 100 that year...which is amazing (especially compared to his 74 rating on 3rd down this year). Combine that with an awesome D and rush attack and you SHOULD get a 15-1 record.

    Any thoughts on how to turn around this ship???

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  9. Titans2008

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    Tommy had a 75 QB rating. Ben had a 98. How is that a worse passing attack? They didn't utilize the pass as much because they didn't need to. Ben was by no means worse than Tommy...
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  10. BigRob

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    Yes, Build a championship defense again, Defense is always where it should start. That is why the Steelers have been in the playoffs 10 of 14 years, their defense is always top ten. Second, build an extremely strong running game. Third, draft a franchise quarterback. Then when this is built, do not keep backloading contracts and end-up in cap hell. Do what the Steelers do, it may hurt to lose FA, but build through good drafting and have players ready to step in, just like the Steelers. In short, be the 99 Titans.
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