lol. tempted for sure but too much of a *****. I'm not saying we should keep going I'm just stating the obvious. Look how many guys are have non contact injuries like ACLs. They are too big for their own good and ligaments and tendons regardless of what steroids are being consumed cannot bear the weight. Humans are not meant to be 300+ lbs and run 4.7-5.0 forties. The evolutionary limit has already been reached and surpassed for some time and there is no going back. I'm not saying I agree with how much guys are using PEDs or even using them in the first place I'm just saying PED usage is prevelant in the NFL. I'd bet 99% are on something. lol sorry Anavar definitely requires PCT. It is mild but PCT is essential to any cycle. Odd he had joint issues on var it's usually the opposite. Some orals are toxic due to methylation but I'd wager most are using injectables anyway which are actually safer.