It's a passing league.........

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by davidc502, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. amy

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    I would say a team needs both to win on a consistent basis. Jake Locker will improve and we will have both.
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  2. TitanJeff

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    At the risk of sounding like Fisher in 1999, the formula for winning is:

    1. Run the football. Dink and dunk. Move the chains. Push it into the endzone after 6+ minute drives. Keep opposing offenses on the sidelines.
    2. Have a disruptive defense by pressuring the QB. Be unpredictable. Screw with their timing. Get turnovers.
    3. Have strong fundamentals (good tackling, few turnovers and penalties, knowing assignments).

    The only problem is that, if any part of the above fails, the Titans may not have the offensive firepower to come back. We'll find out soon enough.
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  3. The Hammer

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    Well, this team is a lot like those Fisher teams in the late 90s.
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  4. SawdustMan

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    Exactly. That's kind of the problem I always had with Fisher's style/philosophy. On paper at least, it sounds pretty rock solid. But as you said if any one part of the equation fails, you're in trouble. So you need to at least have the potential to score quick and pick up big chunks of yardage through the air. And that's the area we always seemed to neglect for so many years.

    Fortunately, that's the difference I see with this team as compared to the Fisher-led teams of recent years. We finally have the talent at the receiver position necessary to bail us out of those bad situations. Again, at least on paper.
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  5. nickmsmith

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    Defense does not win championships, passing does not win championships, running the ball does not win championships..

    A good combination of all 3 wins championships. With QB play being the highest priority of the 3.

    How many Super Bowl winning teams have won it without a good QB, in the modern era?

    Only one I can recall from my childhood til now would be the Ravens with Dilfer. Eli Manning is an anomaly, who sucks in the regular season, and flips the switch in the playoffs like nobody else.

    Bears made it to the super bowl with Grossman, but of course, when it comes to crunch time against a real team, they crumble.

    Unless Locker really turns it on this year, there's no way that Battle, CJ, and Greene are enough offensive firepower for us to keep up with the "big boys."
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  6. TitanJeff

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    QB play is always important but a lot of top QBs have never sniffed the Super Bowl because they didn't have defense or the run game.
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  7. Gut

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    Dilfer is a good example, so is Big Ben's first year where he might have had the worst passing line of any winning SB QB. Hasselback should have won with Seattle without being a dominant QB and Grossman was one of the worst QB's and they could have won that game.

    With our D and run game, we can win with this formula...not to mention a strong return game on special teams and hopefully a stellar year from Bironas. We saw this kind of matchup with the high powered Colts offense with Peyton in his prime running into the Pats when they had a bigtime D and a running game. Think Brady's first starting year and how THEY won their first SB. Sure Brady is great now, but he wasn't back then!

    So the formular does and has worked. Notice Munchak said they realized what kind of game it was gonna be and taylored the rest of the game to play out that way. I would not assume this is the base strategy they will use against everyone all season. Understand they knew that a lot of first time QB's turn the ball over against Pitt's D and they wanted to minimize that risk. Mission accomplished.

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  8. Gut

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    Regarding the Eagles new offense...

    People are thinking they will get worn out by mid-season. That is NOT what will happen. It won't be a conditioning issue for them, the issue will be how deep the playbook is and how good there execution will be. Once you run a bunch of formations in rapid succession, if the defense hasn't seen you or the offense, you don't know what to expect as you have no tendencies to base things on (by formation, down and distance, personel and field position, score, etc). I expected the skins to have a major problem with it in the first half IF Kelly could really get the Eagles to perform his offense at his college pace. He did and it worked. But now every defensive coach in the leauge is starting to build a database on what plays they are running out of each formation. By mid-season, you'll know what the bread and butter top 5-10 plays they run out of each formation so IF the defenses can adjust to each formation fast enough and have the tendencies, it's effectiveness will decrease because you won't catch so many guys out of position. So the question is, how often will they change the plays out of each formation and this is where running 100 plays a game hurts you. Instead of 5-=60 plays on tape a game, defenses get 100 or so. By mid-season, they'll have seen around 800 plays and that's probably bigger than their playbook. How quickly can they adjust to those plays with scheme and get their own D to execute those things at speed will be what to watch.

    The Eagles offensive players are not gonna fall apart because they are tired, but defenses will catch up...and by mid-season, they will know the offense. Of course, can Kelly keep adding to the offense game in and game out to limit that defensive learning curve?

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  9. Ensconatus

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    Exactly. It's like going into a madden game and running thru every one of your formations and plays as quick as possible. That is NOT a good thing. Running the same look for a whole drive will allow defenses to adjust, figure it out, shut it down. Then next time you want to run that look, you're screwed. You need another ripple.

    Running all those plays that many times give opposing defense a lot of film to break down. If their play book is huge.. Then maybe, but if they have a handful of looks it'll get figured out
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  10. TitansWillWin2

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    For 3 weeks before Vick gets hurt and the team is worn out from playing that fast. This style of offense only works in college b/c their season is much shorter!
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