Opinions on Fisher

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****, not in the NFL. I think it is immaterial what other coaches would have done with the bad rosters Fisher has had lately. The test of a good coach is how he does with a good roster. Guys like Norv Turner perennially flop. Belichick wins titles in bunches. Fisher has been to a SB. That is not great but it is pretty darn good.

 

Vince...

What you are basically saying is that if we don't have a chance to compete for a super bowl it doesn't matter how a coach does. I think a good coach takes a team with 6-10 talent and wins 8 games. A good coach takes an average 8-8 type team and goes 10-6 and makes the playoffs.

When has fisher really done something like that?

 

Want a name?

Ok dave toub. He's 44 and the special teams coach for the bears. To say the bear's special teams have been solid the last 2 seasons would be an under statement. He has worked under lovey smith and also andy reid as the assistant special teams coach at philly.

Toub comes from a 15 year college background where he was big 12 strength coach of the year at missouri in 97.

Seems like a tough guy who doesn't take crap and can motivate players.

What about norm chow? I think he could be a good coach..

 

Fisher just took a 2-14 team to 8-8. Granted, I personally attribute most of that to #10 and Pacman's return skills, but Fisher did not get in the way. I certainly think it qualifies as an answer to your question.

But yeah, the bottom line is if the team has no shot at the playoffs (this year was a once in a decade exception), I dont much care how they do, and coaches dont prove their mettle in such years. It is when they have to get the most out of a contender that they earn their money.

Look no further than the Giants last year to see the value of a good coach (they didnt have one).

 

I would not hire Norm Chow under any circumstances. He is old and has never been a head coach. That very fact implies that he does not have the right kind of personal drive to be a good NFL head man. It takes a rare type of individual. Maybe he'd be the next Bill Walsh, but I wouldnt take that chance. Let him toy with his offense and teach Vince how to be an NFL QB.

 

2-14 to 8-8?

When? We were 4-12 in 05 not 2-14. In 2 years we drafted young and pacman and added thornton, hope, robaire smith and mawae. I think travis henry's return to form was a big factor, no? And we had a change in the 0-line not because the coaches knew squat but because of injury. Huge improvement moving bell inside with stewart out there at RT. The coaches were too dumb to get piller off the field he had to get hurt first.

I'll give fish credit for getting young on the field and keeping the pacman and haynesworth suspensions from tearing up the team but fisher also handled the volek thing poorly and put kerry collins in a place he didn't belong. Once again our defense was sub par due to bad coaching..

Again it's hard to imagine any average coach not getting the same results from the same people. The reason we were so bad in 05 was because of bad coaching also..

 

Jeff...

Teams who get new coaches are usually coming off a string of pathetic seasons. But look at the amount of time before the team reaches the playoffs.
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Jeff you are not hearing me right brother, it doesn't take a lot of time. The saints and jets went right there in one year. It took lovey smith until just his second year with the bears to get there. Brian billick took a team that was horrible for some time and won a super bowl in his second season. Tony dungy took the bucs to the playoffs in his second year. Happens all the time.

George allen took the rams to the playoffs in his second season and later took over the horrible redskins and got them to the post season right away.


Stop using jeff fisher as your measuring stick. Just because fisher needed until his 4th season doesn't mean that is the way it has to be..

 

But the year before that, he took a 4-12 team to 2-14.