Philisophical Question:

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by SupDawg, Nov 7, 2006.

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  1. SupDawg

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    Does the QB make the WR, or vice versa?

    I have often wondered what came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, perhaps not that but that type of question in the football format. What came first, the good receiver, or the good QB?

    I see points to both side of the argument. If I had to pick, I think having a good QB will make the receivers better. Case in point, Oakland. They have arguably one of the best in the game, and their QB stinks (among other things).

    Name one top 10 QB who doesn't have a good receiver? Don't name Brady, he single handily develops good receivers on a yearly basis. He doesn't have any household names now, but give him a year or two. You will know Gabriel's and others names. Does the difference in WR talent based more on how good the offense is and QB rather than how much talent the WR has?
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  2. Nine

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    I'd say a good QB helps his receivers more, but it's obviously a symbiotic relationship...they have to help and complement each other. In fact, the most important thing probably isn't the QB or the receiver, but the bond that exists between them....the chemistry.

    I recently heard a radio interview with former NFL receiver Curtis Conway. Conway had a long, respectable career (1993-2005), but for all his years in the league, he was never an A-list receiver...maybe not even a B-list guy, and he acknowledged this. In his opinion, the biggest thing that really held him back in his career was that, in his entire NFL career, Conway never once worked with the same QB two years in a row. Incredible, huh? He spent his entire career with teams in transition....the bad Bears teams of the '90's, the awful Chargers teams of 2000-2002, the Jets in '03, and the Niners in '04. And every single year of his career, he had to work with a different QB, and build from scratch whatever chemistry they could develop.

    As a result, he was never able to develop any real chemistry with a QB....that almost telepathic connection where each knows exactly what the other guy is gonna do just by glancing at him. This chemistry isn't formed by weeks or months of practices, but by years of working together. And it's fair to say that, once developed, this chemistry plays a big a part in the team's success as either of individual players.

    If you think about it, virtually every great QB in the history of the game has had a WR with whom he is directly associated, and vice-versa. They may not both be hall-of-famers, but the connection is undeniable and permanent. Montana/Rice....Marino/Duper....Manning/Harrison....Bradshaw/Swann....Staubach/Hill.....the list goes on. In fact, one is rather hard-pressed to think of a great QB that didn't have a well-known right hand man.
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  3. SupDawg

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    Exactly Nine. All this talk about getting Vince a "real" WR, I think is absurd. If Vince was a good QB, the WRs would naturally be there. It is a symbiotic relationship. In short, I think while Vince's receivers are not exceptional, they are adequate, and his development is hinged largely in part due to his own abilities and skills and not of those WRs he has around him.

    So please stop with all of the draft Calvin Johnson talk. It is rubbish. This team needs so much more than another ruddy WR.
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  4. Gut

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    Well...

    Ask yourself one question. If you were starting a Franchise and you could either have the best QB in the game or the best WR....who would you take?

    Not to take anything away from the great WR's...and there are a good chunk of them....but a lot of the 'good' wr's are products of their QB's.

    If you look at some historical examples....Warren Moon several WR's into the Pro Bowl and Slaughter was the ONLY one to get there before becoming an Oiler. When his 'Pro Bowl' WR's went to other teams, they didn't come close to Pro Bowl level anymore. So who made who?

    The GREAT WR's stay great no matter who's throwing them the ball. If they fade...then it was the QB. Similarly, if a QB puts up huge numbers and his top WR leaves and all of a sudden, he can't throw...then either his new WR is terrible or his WR made him a much better player.

    Of course, chemistry is an under-rated aspect of QB-WR play, but it isn't necessary to have years of practice together to be supremely successful. How many years did Moss practice with Culpepper before his dominant rookie season? Is Moss still a dominant WR?

    How many years did it take Jerry Rice to have 'chemistry' with Montana?

    What about Duper/Clayton with Marino? What did Duper or Clayton ever do without Marino? If you have to look it up...don't bother.

    Conway simply was not a good WR and he moved around a lot because a lot of teams took a chance on him expecting more than they got. Chemistry would have helped HIM, but clearly those teams didn't think him worthy of staying around long enough to develop it.

    Of course, this also goes beyond just the relationship between QB and WR because you have to take into account the surrounding talent and scheme. However, ONLY some of the greatest QB's can overcome talent deficiencies....WR's can't.

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    Moss pulled in some lousy Culpepper throws....Moss made Culpepper. But Moss can't help ANY rayduh QB.

    OTOH, Bennett can't seem to do jack without Volek.
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  6. TNThunder

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    True, Volek could actually throw the ball with accuracy. Amazing how much that helps. We should just dump Bennett, he never gets open or scores. Oh wait, he got our only TD catch last week, let's rethink that.
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  7. Fry

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    bennett= crap.

    as for that ONE great year he had, he had one 100 yard receiving game against a top half pass defense. that defense would be the bears at 15.

    his other 100+ receiving games were against san diego(31st) indy(28th) kansas city(32) and oakland(30). he had over half of his yards in four games against the worst pass defenses in the league.

    so drew bennett is good enough to beat up on some of the worst defense's in the league. we need someone who can beat up on the best.
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  8. Childress79

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    Amen dude :thumb:
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    Bennett=crap...LMAO at that statement. That is one of your dumbest comments yet :))
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  10. Fry

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    well he obviously isnt litterally crap :)
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