Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by 24, Jul 27, 2011.
This won't get done until right around the final preseason game. It will get done though.
Gotta remember, right now the cap is for the 53 highest paid players on the roster. Not necessarily the 53 that's on the roster when cuts are made. Cutting Hope, Gage or some other vets and keeping some rooks or UDFA will lower the cap number.
lol @ Good but not great back like Bradshaw.
Bradshaw is a better all around back than CJ is, no question.
And he was more efficient than CJ last season too.
Not surprising. He's well rounded.
I'd trade CJ for a back that actually helps move the chains straight-up.
You can't be serious.
He's not serious. Even Bradshaw himself would laugh at that.
"espn_afcsouth: My proposal for #Titans to start with CJ: Five years, $61 M; $25 million signing bonus, $31 million in first 3 yrs, all guaranteed."
CJ is a great back. He may be lacking in some areas (his brain to begin), but he makes up for those areas with speed and raw playmaking skills. Bradshaw is a very good back, but doesn't have great numbers. Put him behind a great O-line and give him most of the touches; he 'll get more praise.
We need to get CJ the ball in open space more instead of always handing the ball off to him. The Eagles are beast with the screen and I've wanted us to use it more ever since we drafted CJ. I understand RB blocking responsibilites, but when we go shotgun and the D blitzes, CJ is quick enough to get out to the flat (or whatever screen/dump you want to run). Obviously the D will have someone sniffing that short pass out, but that doesn't exactly mean CJ gets tackled. We just need the RBs and QB to be able to recognize quickly and know where to go, but CJ isn't here to learn any of the nuoances to our offense (I'm not worried about Hass, as he has been through it many times in Seattle with Alexander).
We really have the foundations for a prolific offense (St. Louis w Faulk, Holt and Warner). I've noticed it the past year or two; hopefully our coaching staff recognizes it as well and suits the offense with correct play calling.
And I'd agree Bradshaw is a more, well-rounded back than CJ.
This is CJ2K
Pay da man!!
Fiddling with Chris Johnson contract math
Brent Dougherty of “3 Hour Lunch” in Nashville was hanging out in the Tennessee Titans' press room a while ago. We got to talking about Chris Johnson.
I’m not a math guy. I’m not a contract expert. But in playing around with some numbers, I came up with something I think could be considered reasonable for the Titans to make an initial offer. And Dougherty allowed me to join the show to offer it up.
Here it is, fixed up a little:
Five years for $55 million. He is guaranteed $31 million in the first three years, including a $25 million signing bonus.
It seems a great deal for Johnson -- a $10.3 million average over the first three years.
It protects the Titans from running back demise, as Johnson will turn 30 during the 2014 season. They could simply not pay the roster bonus, cutting Johnson loose at that point. Or maybe Johnson looks to have another two good years and the economy for running backs makes an additional $13 million, and those big bases in 2014 and 2015, palatable.
I’m not saying this is the ideal deal. I’m saying I believe it’s a functional sketch of something that could work for both sides.
Hopefully the Titans are drawing up their own version of an initial offer to get things started.
Here are a few other opinions from people who understand contract and cap math way better than I.
Andrew Brandt’s got a nice analysis and prediction of the situation now, here.
And I asked Football Outsiders cap expert J. I. Halsell for his thoughts on the top running back versus elite playmaker debate.
“In terms of what being paid like a top playmaker translates into, on the offensive side of the ball, the highest paid non-QB veteran contract isn't even a skill position contract. The Eagles' LT Jason Peters' deal averages $12.86M/yr.
“In terms of offensive skill position players, the Texans' WR Andre Johnson got $12.85M/yr on a two year extension.
“When you look at elite offensive players' guarantees, they are roughly in that $6M - $7M guaranteed dollars per year (i.e., Johnson on his two-year extension got $14M guaranteed).
“Given DeAngelo Williams' deal that has an average per year of $8.5M and a guarantee average per year of $4.9M, I suspect the Titans would be willing to pay Johnson a deal that would pay $9M per year and a guarantee of maybe $5.5M-$6M per year. So on a four year extension, Johnson could get from the Titans a deal worth $36M with upwards of $24M guaranteed.
“Johnson on the other hand -- assuming a 4 year extension -- is looking for a deal with $52M in new money with $28M-$30M guaranteed and $40M-plus paid in the first three years.
“Albert Haynesworth is probably the most recent example of a player who got paid significantly beyond their positional market, as Haynesworth received an elite pass rusher type contract in spite of being a DT.
“The difference between Johnson and Haynesworth, though, is that Haynesworth was able to obtain that kind of contract because he had suitors on the free agent market that drove his price up. Johnson, who is under contract for the next two seasons, does not have this same luxury.
“There's creative contract structuring that can be done that can allow for both sides to get what they want out of the deal. Perhaps Johnson may have to relent on his average per year desires in exchange for a creative yet lucrative guarantee structure that would put his guarantee in the 'playmaker' category.
“At the end of the day, both sides will have to give a little to get a deal done.”
They will. Don't expect it to happen til the last week or so before the regular season kicks off though. Patience is a virtue.
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