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  1. PhiSlammaJamma

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    I was looking the rosters over carefully. And if I was to make a leap, I would say that he started in seattle. The Seattle roster was loaded with players named in the Mitchell report. Four or Five to be exact, up to like 5 more, plus a ton of minor leaguers tooo, and A-rod was on that team from the bottom on up. He then went to Texas, where the Steroid Culture was prevalent. Interesting. Even Ken Caminiti was on that Texas team. But again, Seattle had a culture when Arod was there.

    Ironically, you know who was on that Seattle team to, the guy everyone thinks is clean, Ken Griffey Jr..

    It would be easy to believe Arod started in Texas, but everything points to his having started in Seattle. One other thing to note is that Arod came into the league in 1993. The exact same time Canseco was in Texas. I have yet to be able to link those teams together, but you have several hispanic players using steroids at that time, so it is not hard for me to make the leap that Arod has been using since his rookie year for no other reason than he and Canseco got to know each other being Hispanic.

    I find it interesting that Canseco said he introduced Arod to a dealer in Miami. That tells me they were hanging out in a big hispanic area at the time, where the two could relate and hang, and boom. The rookie is on steroids.
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  2. dg1979us

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    Bonds is facing prison time for lieing to a grand jury in the BALCO investigations. Sosa, McGwire, A-Rod, etc, had absolutely nothing to do with BALCO, or Bonds lieing to the grand jury. Bonds would not be facing prison time if he were not involved with BALCO, or if he hadnt allegedly perjured himself.
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  3. dg1979us

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    He was also the most influential player in getting steroids so heavily involved in baseball. The only reason he is becoming a "hero", is because after he was a washed up player, he started writing books, and of course profiting off these books. Tough for me to give someone credit for being a "hero" when he benefited from steroids both in his playing days and after his playing days. That would be like considering a hardened criminal a hero for rolling over on his friends that were inolved in his crimes. The only reason he is doing it, is to save his own ***.
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  4. Riverman

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    That is complete BS. Bonds has faced NUMEROUS subpoenas, indictments and has been the only person of interest for perjuring himself to Congress. Each of these idiots, including Sosa, Clemens and McGwire have perjured themselves. And the ironic thing is that Bonds statements didn't even constitute lying- he said he never "knowingly" took steroids.

    Congress had a huge boner to go stick it to a fall guy and Bonds was that guy because he is so unlikable.

    Each of these idiots deserves to be indicted for perjury. Each of these idiots deserves to subpoenad. Each of these idiots deserves the stress of being investigated publicly at a constant level the way Bonds has. I'm no Bonds apologist- he did wrong and deserves whatever the LAW allows. So do the other guys.

    The real crime here is the obvious but not discussed willful negligence of the league. The home run race in 98 and the subsequent slugfest by a league full of "Mongos" drew fan interest and restored the revenues that had dropped off from the 94 strike. I don't see how league officials get a pass and the players don't and I particularly don't like one guy (Bonds in this case) taking the brunt of the backlash thus far.
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  5. dg1979us

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    His subpoenas are for the BALCO investigations, which other players, like Jason Giambi were also issued subpoenas. Giambi admitted to using illegal substances in his grand jury appearance, Bonds did not and is now under indictment for perjury. Sosa, Clemens, McGwire, etc, are not associated with BALCO. Marion Jones was sentenced to a short term prison term because of being convicted of perjury in relations to the BALCO trials. Bonds is not being singled out, Bonds is just involved in something that most of the other players arent.

    Bonds didnt appear before congress. Your facts are a bit off on this.
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  6. Riverman

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    Bonds perjury charges are apparently being thrown out.

    Here is one reference- I'll have to look up something later that came up last week I heard on CNN. Got to get to work.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-12-04-bonds_N.htm
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  8. Riverman

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    That's a good article. One interesting part (IMO) about how the documents really don't support the Feds perjury case:

    The positive steroid tests don't necessarily give the government a smoking gun when Bonds' trial begins. Bonds acknowledged using "the clear" and "the cream" during his December 2003 testimony before the grand jury investigating the BALCO steroid scandal. But Bonds said he believed he was using flaxseed oil and an arthritis balm and claimed he never knowingly used steroids.

    "The question is, did (Bonds) know it was an undetectable steroid? Nobody knew what it was," said Paula Canny, one of Anderson's attorneys.
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  9. dg1979us

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    I would imagine it is hard to get a perjury conviction without some type of concrete evidence like an audio tape or what not. Though they did with Marion Jones, though I dont know the details of that. But this is why I dont think Bonds is being singled out. Several players, from several sports, were initially subpoenaed in regards to the BALCO investigations. Bonds and Marion Jones are getting it worse because of perjury charges. Giambi, Romanowski, etc, apparently told the truth, and are done with that whole ordeal.
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  10. Riverman

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    There were initially 14 charges- many of which were dismissed because of lack of evidence or procedural violations (aka as :bsflag:). No other MLB player has faced that type of barrage.

    Clemens was threatened to be charged with perjury- but nothing ever came of it. Sosa and others were intentionally vague (obviously under direction of counsel) and nothing came of it.

    I don't condone Bonds actions or advocate he be exonerated of league violations. I only advocate that EVERY player on that list receive equal investigation.

    If you have ever been involved in an audit or legal proceedings with the government, you understand the intangible BS pressure that 800 lb gorilla puts upon you. I am supportive of Bonds because he has stood up to that pressure- fighting to stand up for himself. His charges were trumped up in an effort to get him to crack. He received ZERO support from the league and most of the players who also were using steroids in equal amounts. The Gov't looked for a guy to be their poster boy- and Bonds fit the bill because he is so unlikable. BALCO was only the tip of the iceberg of steroid suppliers. Undoubtedly there are many more that don't receive the same level of attention.

    I forget the story- but their was also some guy (MD maybe) who was grossly involved in steroid supply but wound up killing himself before trial. We won't ever see the government hold the league accountable for their willlful negligence because after all baseball is America's past time.
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