I will guarantee you that Bruschi and Vrabel would be very average players on any other team than the Patriots. Which I also believe the Broncos demonstrated very well. Seymour though is top notch player no question. Gee, maybe instead of waiting 10 years to have the right players for your system, you should your system? Or is that impossible? And for rcarie, if Schwartz isn't in charge of defence why is he on the staff? Why do we have a defensive coordinator, if he doesn't do anything? Seems like a waste of money to me... Besides nobody is saying Fisher isn't to blame. He is very much to blame for letting Schwartz stay for so long.