And because you insisted on going down this road even after i politely asked you to find another tangent, i will go ahead and prove more of you incredible ignorance of the NFL and why i find your little comments incredibly stupid and ill informed. Did u say you wanted John elways stats as well? in the 11 games he played in his first season he completed 47.5% of his passes for 1600 yds, 7 tds and 14 interceptions. his second year he complete 56.5% of his passes for 2500 yds, 18tds and 15 interceptions.. I am definitely arguing with some one who will say anything however stupid it may sound and actually think that he is making valid points. What is the heck do i tell some one with such a moronic post claiming John Elway and Manning apparently were great from the time they started and that their stats would show it? HOw old are you man? Are you sure you should be here wasting our time with your completely bogus nonsense?