The problem was, when we faced good teams in crunch-time (like when playoff berths were at stake) Vince failed. Vince did do some good things here, and he really was doing a good enough job as our QB here before the blow-up. He was playing safe, game-managing football, which worked. The posters here on both sides try to make it a black-or-white issue, either you hate VY with all of your heart, or love him, but there is enough evidence on both sides to clearly make some gray area. At times he was awful, he never won the big games, but we did have a good record when he played. He is not a savior, but, as a player, he is far from Joey Harrington or even David Carr. He was the reason we turned around from 0-6, any question about that is not seeing clearly. He just didn't work out here, because of attitudinal problems. But his on-field play this past season didn't warrant very much criticism at all. He was above average. He wasn't lighting it up, but he played well. Do I ever think he'll be as great as we first hoped? No, but he is a good enough player to be a decent NFL QB if he can stay uninjured and out of trouble.